It's really bad today, the sky is filled with chemtrails and the fake clouds they produce.
...reminded me to post this link:
www.chycho.com/
Basically, Germany has admitted to chemtrail spraying as a military operation.
Hopefully this new info will compel the US to do the same.
...reminded me to post this link:
www.chycho.com/
Basically, Germany has admitted to chemtrail spraying as a military operation.
Hopefully this new info will compel the US to do the same.
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Mon, March 10, 2008 - 3:04 PMIs there a link to where the German government stated publicly that they're spraying these compounds in the atmosphere?
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Mon, March 10, 2008 - 4:05 PMi dont speak german, but here is where the original tv report is
www.youtube.com/watch
it doesnt sound like the government has confirmed it.
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Mon, March 10, 2008 - 4:13 PM
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 12:04 AM
Jezz, chemtrials are such a load of bunk.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrails
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 8:54 AMI'm reposting this from another tribe:
The link came to me on a day when I watched a cloudless sky get criss-crossed to death with jet vapor, eventually creating long, thin clouds that by evening had thickened up enough to look like they could almost produce rain. It's really hard to ignore it when it's in your face. All of Santa Cruz saw the same thing yesterday.
Anyway, the German video IS unclear. The only thing allegedly admitted by the govt is that the substances in chemtrails are not harmful. I'm glad the link is getting propagated though, perhaps it will create some pressure and be a catalyst for more information.
My personal belief is if the military could create a massive radar shield through jet vapor, they absolutely would, and they would research the hell out of what conditions work and what conditions don't. -
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 9:06 AMTo do this would require the cooperation and silence of a large number of low level employees of fuel/airline companies (either in the capacity of the contaminator or allowing the contamination to take place). It would be difficult to keep this a secret
Seriously people, there are much more important things to be worrying about than a misunderstanding of atmospheric phenomenon. There is no conspiracy here, please get a life.
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 9:13 AMMuch love to you rodent, I dislike conspiracy theories as well.
However, the military keeps it's secrets when it needs to. I'm not saying they ARE, I'm just saying they WOULD if they COULD. -
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 9:52 AMI don't know if Chemtrails are real. Talking to atmospheric scientists at UCSC they told me that airplains that fly in the higher atmosphere disturb the air and form clouds. I was told that it is simply a phenomenon of the upper atmosphere and has nothing to do with the delivery of chemicals to the atmosphere. Again I don't know what is true, but I was told that the clouds ifollowing planes n the upper atmosphere is a known phenomenon. -
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:06 AMI am not convinced one way or another, but what would convince me that there really was this kind of research going on would be climate researchers and meteorologisrts observing a drastic change in climate patterns when this research started. So far I haven't seen that.
Doesn't mean such an observation has not been made, just that I haven't seen it.
I'm a bit skeptical on this one, but I am interested to see anything solid.
Cheers!
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:10 AMActually, in a sense, "chemtrails" is a semi-acurate description and Andy, you're partially correct. It's water vapor in the upper atmosphere clinging to smoke particles in the exhaust from jet engines forming clouds. So, technically, the exhaust is a chemical forming a vapor trail. Click the wikipedia link for an overview of the conspiracy loonies beliefs on what ELSE is in the exhaust (or deliberate dispersal, or something, or whatever).
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:14 AMi think that the one thing for me that has decreased my skepticism is that I dont remember these kinds of clouds from when I was a kid... the kinds of clouds made by planes in the upper atmosphere disappear rapidly... you can watch them as the end of the cloud follows the plane. These chemtrails stay in the atmosphere for hours, as the ones that were so obvious yesterday did.
i'm never sure what to believe in this era of reality stranger than fiction, but I have become convinced that these chemtrails are a relatively new phenomenon, that have not been adequately explained by anyone. This report from the German TV station is very compelling, because it indicates that this is a military operation designed to obscure radar. I can believe that.
There is a long history of our government performing experiments on an unwilling population, sometimes in the open and sometimes covertly. This isnt conspiracy, this is fact. -
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:42 AMA couple of things, childhood memories are often flawed (i.e. I don't remember there being so many commercials on tv when I was a kid"), you may not have been looking for them back then and are hypersensitive to it now, jet traffic has increased since you were a child, vapor trails are dependent on atmospheric conditions (temperature, pressure, humidity) at the time, and in Santa Cruz, were next to 3 international airports (SF, Oakland, San Jose), quite a nexus of jet traffic.
If this were some kind of planned program, lets see if I can break down the problems inherent.
#1. It's a military program run by the military - The number of flights involved would disrupt commercial flights, showing up in FAA record so not only would hundreds of military personell need to be involved but hundreds of Air Traffic Control personel as well.
#2. It's a military program run through civilian aircraft - The chemical agents would either have to be dispursed by either mixing it with the aircrafts fuel at the airport, needing hundreds of maintainance personel involded or mixed with the fuel at the refinery, needing hundreds more involved, or the chemical is dispursed through a secondary device attached to the civilian aircract, needing hundreds of maintainance and inspection personel involved.
For a program to work, there would need to be hundreds if not thousands of people involved. There's no way you could put that many military people into a civilian market and not have SOMEBODY notice (like a union!!!) or have at least one disgruntled employee spilling the beans. Just too massive to be a workable conspiracy.
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:44 AMI remember clouds forming from vapor trails as a kid. There are documented cases of US and other military experimenting with weather manipulation.
I am far from convinced that it happens on an ongoing basis all over without someone somewhere saying something. Think about it: This would involve pilots spraying their own families.
I am not absolutely convinved against, but I am skeptical and leaning that way.
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:49 AMSome interesting info:
www.chycho.com/
I don't know exactly what to think either, but like I said, if the military *could* create atmospheric radar shields, I'm inclined to believe that they would. And if they did this WITH the public's knowledge, can you imagine the red tape they would have to go through each time this happened over a populated area? It would be a legal nightmare and possibly impede "national security".
I also think that the people involved wouldn't even know what they were doing, as each person would just be performing an isolated task with no connection or context to the larger project. When it comes to operations like this, that's how it works.
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 12:12 PM> I also think that the people involved wouldn't even know what they were doing, as each person would just be performing an isolated task with no connection or context to the larger project.
Again, there are only three possibilities if this is a planned program.
#1. Completely military, using military aircraft - would show up on FAA records
#2. Civilian fuel additive - would show up in maintainance records, fuel testing or engine performance
#3. Secondary device for disbursal on civilian craft - would show up in maintainance records.
It only takes one person to say "why am I purging these flight records again?". "hey, why aren't we testing the fuel today?", or "why am I (or that guy) putting THAT in the fuel?" or "what the heck is this thingy on the engine (or somewhere on the plane)?" or "what is this thank of stuff on the plane?"
Perhaps you ought to go over to SJ airport and talk to the maintainance crew or the air traffic controllers about how your theories might work. You'd probably be surprised.
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Re: Chemtrails over Santa Cruz
Wed, April 16, 2008 - 10:37 AMHmmm... I almost don't want to get involved in this "debate" - since I haven't really researched it much personally.
I would point out that, in spite of the FAA and record keeping, our government HAS managed to carry on a pretty effective and (mostly) secret program of moving around captured "high risk" prisoners via airplane.
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